Forza 5 Gets Long Beach Free

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04/09/2014 at 10:45 • Filed to: forza 5

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Dan shows up in this video to talk about how free the add-on is and how proud he is to give it to you. There are also 5 free (with car pass ) cars: '77 Ford Coyote Gilmore77, '74 Lancia Stratos HF Stradale, '56 Jaguar D-Type, '98 Mercedes-Benz AMG Mercedes CLK GTR, '71 Ferrari #2 Ferrari Automobili 312 P.

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DISCUSSION (86)


Kinja'd!!! ncasolowork2 > Kake Bake
04/09/2014 at 10:49

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Forza just got Long Beach? That has my attention. I would say iRacing already has it but it is only available in wire frame format (the racing surface is fully textured)


Kinja'd!!! Kake Bake > ncasolowork2
04/09/2014 at 10:54

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I'm not proud to admit that it also has mine. At launch, FM5 seemed repulsive (maybe too strong) to me, but with long beach and the IndyCars it all seems to be coming together.

I just want a console facsimile of the CartFactor mod for rFactor.


Kinja'd!!! Brian Silvestro > Kake Bake
04/09/2014 at 10:54

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Kinja'd!!! ncasolowork2 > Kake Bake
04/09/2014 at 10:57

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iRacing will have the DW12 available around Memorial day. Only problem is they have a complete shortage of street courses due to the hardware requirements to properly render a track with that many objects.


Kinja'd!!! Kake Bake > ncasolowork2
04/09/2014 at 11:09

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That's tempting. I just need something a bit stronger than this MacBook I've had for 7 years and a wheel.

iRacing has VIR, right?


Kinja'd!!! ncasolowork2 > Kake Bake
04/09/2014 at 11:24

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Yes. iRacing has VIR. As far as US road courses I think they have pretty much all of the dedicated road courses in the US that host major events. New Jersey and the one in Illinois are unfinished though.

Next tracks to be added are COTA (out in 2 weeks) Monza, Donnington Park, and Imola.


Kinja'd!!! ncasolowork2 > Kake Bake
04/09/2014 at 11:28

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iracing.com/carsandtracks should have a comprehensive list. I'm behind a firewall or I'd post it.


Kinja'd!!! SubiSanchez > Kake Bake
04/09/2014 at 11:30

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I've always been a Playstation faithful but Forza is making quite the argument for me to switch camps......


Kinja'd!!! Kake Bake > SubiSanchez
04/09/2014 at 11:41

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It does look inviting.

I just wish I could play it without an Xbone. I'll wait until June when MS get rid of the Kinect (hopefully).


Kinja'd!!! Acidboogie > Kake Bake
04/09/2014 at 11:44

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you straight up don't even need Kinect, so don't let that stop you. Unless you're talking about them selling an xbone without a kinect for cheaper?


Kinja'd!!! Kake Bake > Acidboogie
04/09/2014 at 11:46

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I am. I can bide my time until the XBone S or whatever rolls around with a smaller case and no Kinect.


Kinja'd!!! DeltawingGothamDeserves > Kake Bake
04/09/2014 at 11:48

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GT6 owners everywhere cry.

(me)


Kinja'd!!! Connie P. McCullough > Kake Bake
04/09/2014 at 11:57

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Kinja'd!!! tobythesandwich > Kake Bake
04/09/2014 at 12:00

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Free?

Now that is a word I have not heard in a long time....

Turn10 will find a way to charge you for it. Just wait.


Kinja'd!!! MadDrake > Kake Bake
04/09/2014 at 12:02

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Only reason id get an xbox one.


Kinja'd!!! lingenfelter > Kake Bake
04/09/2014 at 12:04

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Forza is currently the only reason I would consider switching to next-gen from 360. I'm patient (and cheap) enough to wait until pricing falls though. And I don't want all the constantly connected stuff.

PS: The D-Type looks awesome with shark teeth and side gills.


Kinja'd!!! Byron Young > Kake Bake
04/09/2014 at 12:04

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I was so close to staying clean, but that D-Type... I will accosting that shortly.


Kinja'd!!! citizennick > tobythesandwich
04/09/2014 at 12:08

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Road America was also free and they have yet to find a way to charge us for it.


Kinja'd!!! Bryce Womeldurf > Kake Bake
04/09/2014 at 12:08

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That's pretty sweet! I hope the cars will be available for purchase without the pass.


Kinja'd!!! Kake Bake > Bryce Womeldurf
04/09/2014 at 12:10

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You can purchase the car pack by itself.


Kinja'd!!! FoxFive0 > Kake Bake
04/09/2014 at 12:15

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Woooooh! Finally! Real-life street circuits!


Kinja'd!!! DarthNoll > Kake Bake
04/09/2014 at 12:15

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New Track and new car: Good. 4 of the 5 cars being cut content from FM4: Bad.


Kinja'd!!! Bryce Womeldurf > Kake Bake
04/09/2014 at 12:26

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Awww yesssss


Kinja'd!!! JayHova > Kake Bake
04/09/2014 at 12:27

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We've come a long way.


Kinja'd!!! QCGoose > lingenfelter
04/09/2014 at 12:27

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I'm in the same camp. This is the first time a new generation of consoles has come around where I'm really just not that excited and tempted enough to upgrade any time soon.

Granted, maybe it's because of aging (29 lol) and priorities and hobbies changing, but I hardly play any of the games on any of the systems I have now. GTA V is about all that sees any use, when I play.

I've been a massive Forza fan since the original 9 years ago (although Horizon didn't exactly leave me satisfied), and FM5 looks as stunning as ever (would like more content included, but I understand their unrealistic deadline for a launch release, which severely limited what they could finish in time), but seeing as how it's literally the only game that has my interest on any of the new consoles, I find that difficult to justify the upgrade expense.

I'll most likely just give it another couple years for more content options and wrinkles to be ironed out.

I also hear you about all the "connected" stuff (though maybe we're thinking of slightly different things here). I'm not a fan of any of this "everything in one" gobbledeegook everyone is trying to create in gaming systems these days. An included DVD player is fine, otherwise just give me a gaming system that is JUST THAT.


Kinja'd!!! FoxFive0 > FoxFive0
04/09/2014 at 12:29

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also, finally more tracks for FM5!


Kinja'd!!! anacanapana > Kake Bake
04/09/2014 at 12:31

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Thanks, but I will pay for Monza.


Kinja'd!!! foxbody > QCGoose
04/09/2014 at 12:41

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I hear you, I'm in the same boat. Been addicted to Forza since #2, but FM5 just seems like a cheap cash grab. Hopefully FM6 will take its time and not be such a shitty deal, with the limited tracks and vehicles, and horrrrrible pricing model (i want the damn game, not half a game and a 150 bucks worth of DLC to make it 'good').


Kinja'd!!! 4 cam torino is presently broken > Kake Bake
04/09/2014 at 12:42

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Is there an alternate lay out with ramps mimicking the Robby Gordon truck series version? That would be so fucking bad ass to race Raptors on.


Kinja'd!!! foxbody > JayHova
04/09/2014 at 12:44

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those modern color graphics! are those 8 bit??

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Kinja'd!!! GR1M RACER : Wrong Most of the Time > Kake Bake
04/09/2014 at 12:47

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I found a Ford that will finish off my Ford Affinity.


Kinja'd!!! Chaz Adams > Kake Bake
04/09/2014 at 12:50

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The slow addition of tracks to Forza 5 is really making me rethink the decision to wait on an Xbox One. The issue for me is still that for the 360 I already have a wheel and do not want to deal with selling that and buying a new one etc etc etc


Kinja'd!!! GR1M RACER : Wrong Most of the Time > Kake Bake
04/09/2014 at 12:56

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That Merc.

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Kinja'd!!! JayHova > foxbody
04/09/2014 at 13:04

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*counts colours* But barely.

Yet it is amazing how the graphics have changed since 1992 when Stunts and Microprose F1 GP where my first racing games...and how little the gameplay has evolved since then (which sort of saddens me).


Kinja'd!!! QCGoose > foxbody
04/09/2014 at 13:08

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I honestly wouldn't even mind if Turn10 just continued to develop for 5 and released content for it over time as they finished it. Granted, I'd hope and want the content to be free, but I feel it's half of "that's an awful lot of time and effort put in for it to be free" and half of "well it should be free because it should have been included in the game in the first place".

Unless the physics system or modeling system needs an overhaul (which is exactly what they've done with 5), I see no reason they should need to be concerned with, and spend all the time, money, research, and effort on FM6 in 2 years or more. Just continue developing for 5; more cars, more tracks, more modding and tuning options/content, and it will continue to feel like a fresh game with no need for a sequel for a quite a long time.

Hell, they've nearly created as many Forzas in the time between just GT4 and GT5/GT6. Turn10, sloooooow down and just put your efforts into the continuing development and polishing of 5.


Kinja'd!!! SLUSHIE > Kake Bake
04/09/2014 at 13:17

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While actually somewhat of an airplane, I still think those Mercedes GTR cars are some of the prettiest damn cars ever made, and so incredibly baller.


Kinja'd!!! 472CID > Kake Bake
04/09/2014 at 13:19

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What's this? Forza 5 is adding new tracks? Still has a long way to go to fill 4's shoes, but it's nice to hear it's improving.


Kinja'd!!! TommyK154 > Kake Bake
04/09/2014 at 13:21

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wow about time Forza stopped ripping off its customers. Not only did 5 have like half the content of 4, they then released those same cars that were in 4 for a price


Kinja'd!!! Steven Phillips Photography > Kake Bake
04/09/2014 at 13:23

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Finally a good street course to rumble around in the V8 Supercars!


Kinja'd!!! BertMacklin > ncasolowork2
04/09/2014 at 13:34

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actually its not a hardware problem, its the time it would take to create all the artwork for the track. iracing cant afford to dedicate their entire art team to develop one track.


Kinja'd!!! ncasolowork2 > BertMacklin
04/09/2014 at 13:36

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Think of Spa and what it does to the FPS on most machines. All newer machines are able to run it just fine. Long Beach would be way more system intensive than even Spa. It has to do with both reasons I'm sure, but system requirements is one of them. iRacing hasn't updated their system requirements in 6 years.


Kinja'd!!! bigdog > Kake Bake
04/09/2014 at 13:47

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Nice, needed an excuse to break Forza out again.


Kinja'd!!! porschephile463 > Kake Bake
04/09/2014 at 13:48

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I really want to see some lap time comparisons from pro racers who game! Have the time they can do in their real car vs the time they do in the same car only virtual.


Kinja'd!!! xxmixedxtapexx > tobythesandwich
04/09/2014 at 14:03

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They've started doing nice things, like extra car packs for cars that were available in Forza IV as booster packs for the tracks. It's starting to make the Car Pass more worth the money I spent. The number one question is, when will we get Nurburgring and will it be free??


Kinja'd!!! xxmixedxtapexx > DarthNoll
04/09/2014 at 14:11

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That's why it's not part of the 6 car packs luckily


Kinja'd!!! Ryoku > Kake Bake
04/09/2014 at 14:44

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I'd be more excited if Forza 5 didn't axe its car selection moving from 4, let alone the terribly small track count.

And before anyone says I'm a GT fanboy, I just traded GT6 in about a week ago.


Kinja'd!!! Josh Brinzo > Steven Phillips Photography
04/09/2014 at 14:51

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Exactly what I will be doing!


Kinja'd!!! Steven W. Masters > Kake Bake
04/09/2014 at 14:56

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Kinja'd!!! f5alcon > Kake Bake
04/09/2014 at 15:19

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it may never happen, too much of the system is built around kinect, for example kinect is what logs users in and determines who is using which controller. Plus they would have to redo the interface for non kinect users.


Kinja'd!!! f5alcon > xxmixedxtapexx
04/09/2014 at 15:20

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Probably free, seems like they are doing tracks for free so everybody has the same content for multiplayer lobbies.


Kinja'd!!! f5alcon > lingenfelter
04/09/2014 at 15:21

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You don't need to be constantly connected, they changed that well before launch.


Kinja'd!!! The Stig's Canadian Cousin > Kake Bake
04/09/2014 at 15:32

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EVERYONE BUY AN XBOX ONE RIGHT NOW. Oh wait, Project Cars will be out in a few months. Scratch that.


Kinja'd!!! Grant Leavitt > f5alcon
04/09/2014 at 15:50

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users can log in without kinect. When you start a game, the console prompts users to log in, and lists the available profiles. In fact, i don't even use it anymore and can use the system just fine without it. Thus your statement about having to use kinect to log in AND your statement about having to redo the interface for non-kinect users are both invalid.

In my opinion, Kinect and its many mind-reading functionalities are for lazy people who like to talk and make gestures.


Kinja'd!!! Grant Leavitt > 472CID
04/09/2014 at 15:51

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Forza added Road America a month and a half ago, including new layouts of Road America. Unfortunately, it seems that none of the new layouts (or "ribbons" as Turn 10 calls them) are used in Career mode.


Kinja'd!!! Grant Leavitt > lingenfelter
04/09/2014 at 15:54

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For your "constantly connected" fears, just unplug the Xbone after each use. Problem solved!


Kinja'd!!! ADabOfOppo; Gone Plaid (Instructables Can Be Confusable) > Kake Bake
04/09/2014 at 15:54

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I've been waiting to see what Turn10 do with Fivetza since it was released. I played it launch weekend at a friend's and they have been steadily making it harder to not have my own XBone.

In the meantime I have been saving towards buying one, and am about half-way there.

I'd still like to see them put an auction house in the game, since cars and parts are so expensive, it would be nice to get some of that investment back once you decide you no longer want a vehicle. And, since there aren't any unicorns anymore, there is zero reason for people to hack the system like they did in Fourtza.

A storefront would also be nice so we can sell our tunes and designs.

Now that they have dropped two additional track-packs on us, and both are real-world locations, I am very curious about their next move. I had the thought a while ago that additional tracks should be real, and that any paid-DLC tracks should be their fake ones. With Maple Valley, Camino Viejo, and Sunset absent at this point, I am especially curious about if they are going to follow my idea and have a track pack to buy that will include their imaginary tracks while the real ones remain free.


Kinja'd!!! wayneahoosier > Kake Bake
04/09/2014 at 15:58

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my neighbor's mother makes $76 every hour on the internet . She has been unemployed for 5 months but last month her pay check was $20807 just working on the internet for a few hours. why not try this out

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Kinja'd!!! Grant Leavitt > xxmixedxtapexx
04/09/2014 at 15:59

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the 6 car packs all have 1 new-to-series car, yet we still have to pay for them. Same with the booster car packs from the new track releases. 1 god-dang new car?! I would have preferred that they have released the rehashes as title updates so the DLC would be solely for new cars... but someone told me that would have been a bad business case. After all, the game developer have stated that it takes 6 months and lots of money to scan and program a single car. Releasing all those rehashes for free would have put them out of business.


Kinja'd!!! Grant Leavitt > Ryoku
04/09/2014 at 16:03

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they cut cars from 4 to 5 for the same reasons they cut cars from 1 to 2: to make the cars of a suitable resolution and quality for the new generation of consoles at the time. FM1 was on original Xbox, FM2 was on Xbox 360. Now, FM4 was on Xbox 360 and now FM5 is on Xbox One. If only the developers weren't so lazy about remaking those awesome FM1 tracks for FM5... :(

Who would LOVE to do FM1's Tokyo Circuit in FM5???


Kinja'd!!! f5alcon > Grant Leavitt
04/09/2014 at 16:14

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Can you use the mic properly, that was an issue previously where it wouldn't sync the mic to the controller and used kinect for that


Kinja'd!!! DarthNoll > xxmixedxtapexx
04/09/2014 at 16:18

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Every car pack released has had 75% cut content.


Kinja'd!!! citizennick > f5alcon
04/09/2014 at 16:53

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the Xbox One comes with a headset, idk anyone who actually uses the Kinect mic in game chat. And Grant is correct, I have a cover on my Kinect and everything works just fine. Too much hoopla about the Kinect with these things.


Kinja'd!!! citizennick > ADabOfOppo; Gone Plaid (Instructables Can Be Confusable)
04/09/2014 at 16:55

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its weird how there is still the "Marketplace Coming Soon" box in the menu. I'm not sure what that is supposed to be since we can get any tune/paint job without having to pay for it. I would like to have a storefront like in 4 so I can showcase my designs a little better.


Kinja'd!!! ADabOfOppo; Gone Plaid (Instructables Can Be Confusable) > citizennick
04/09/2014 at 17:00

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I assumed that the placeholder you mention is for the in-game XBL marketplace and not the storefront.


Kinja'd!!! toyotasupraman > GR1M RACER : Wrong Most of the Time
04/09/2014 at 17:23

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Wrong Merc. Forza gets a CLK-GTR, the flying arrow was a CLR:

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Kinja'd!!! Grant Leavitt > f5alcon
04/09/2014 at 17:44

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if you are referring to the headset mic, i cannot give you an answer as I never used it (i'm hearing impaired, but not totally deaf, so i sort of need to SEE to hear, lol). The kinect mic seems to work OK, though from my limited use trying out the various kinect commands, you do seem to talk a bit louder to get the Kinect to understand your command.

I ended up disconnecting my kinect due to the fact that none of the games I had very much kinect gesture support (like games for the Wii do with the WiiMote, where I wave my coupled fists to swing a bat or sword), and the fact that if someone in my house wanted to watch TV when I wasn't around, would they know how to use it? You know?


Kinja'd!!! f5alcon > citizennick
04/09/2014 at 17:46

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Yeah I mean the headset, the way from what I have read it detected which controller it was plugged into was with kinect, but i may have misunderstood that issue.


Kinja'd!!! f5alcon > Grant Leavitt
04/09/2014 at 18:13

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yeah makes sense, i dont really use it much either, i still only own forza and PvZ garden warfare, and most multiplats I will get on PS4/PC


Kinja'd!!! Grant Leavitt > f5alcon
04/09/2014 at 18:37

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I have Madden 25, Need for Speed Rivals, and Forza... waiting for Halo 5... (drums fingers on desk)


Kinja'd!!! citizennick > ADabOfOppo; Gone Plaid (Instructables Can Be Confusable)
04/09/2014 at 18:48

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No in the Forza menu there's a table at the top right saying "marketplace coming soon"


Kinja'd!!! ADabOfOppo; Gone Plaid (Instructables Can Be Confusable) > citizennick
04/09/2014 at 18:50

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Yes, I know. I've seen it as I have played numerous times. That is what I am referring to as the placeholder for the in-game XBL marketplace.

As with on the 360, I expect they wanted that to be where you could go to buy car packs and tokens, which are XBL transactions, not in-game-currency.


Kinja'd!!! citizennick > ADabOfOppo; Gone Plaid (Instructables Can Be Confusable)
04/09/2014 at 19:12

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alright got ya. My buddies and I were assuming that would be the storefront for our designs/tunes and selling cars, but apparently not. I'd love to be able to sell some cars! I have so many duplicates now that purchasing the cars from car packs is free.


Kinja'd!!! ADabOfOppo; Gone Plaid (Instructables Can Be Confusable) > citizennick
04/09/2014 at 19:17

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I don't know all that for sure, it's just a guess, but I have had other friends with an XBone and Fivetza say the same.

Agreed entirely on the storefront and auction house. Though, I had one those friends say that the storefront is probably gone for good. It's impossible for T10 to police it.

The auction house would be easier now that there aren't unicorns.


Kinja'd!!! DoctorDick > Kake Bake
04/09/2014 at 20:32

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Hope this track comes to Assetto Corsa someday...


Kinja'd!!! tobythesandwich > xxmixedxtapexx
04/09/2014 at 21:38

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Every car pack I have seen has been charging people for FM4 cars for the most part. Haven't seen many "free" packs.


Kinja'd!!! 302? I think yes > Kake Bake
04/09/2014 at 23:52

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Anyone have any info on the '77 Ford Coyote Gilmore77? I couldn't really find much with my meh googling skills.


Kinja'd!!! Eutropius > Kake Bake
04/10/2014 at 05:26

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Build a usable racing wheel under 500 bucks for it and I might care?


Kinja'd!!! Kake Bake > Eutropius
04/10/2014 at 11:13

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Will you care or won't you?


Kinja'd!!! lingenfelter > QCGoose
04/10/2014 at 11:54

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I don't care about all the other stuff they throw into gaming systems either. My 360 is used solely for games, nothing else whatsoever.

My concerns about being connected were more related to the Kinect/voice monitoring/camera etc stuff they've put into it (I've heard it's "always on", though I haven't done much research because this isn't the main stumbling block between me and a purchase). And although someone else suggested unplugging the console every time, that's just a poor solution. My wiring is always tucked away neatly and I don't want to go digging around to unplug/plug in my system every time I want to use it.


Kinja'd!!! lingenfelter > f5alcon
04/10/2014 at 11:56

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I was referring more to the constant audio monitoring and video monitoring capability, or has that stuff changed? It's not the main issue preventing me from buying (that would be the lack of titles that interest me and the cost to upgrade), so I haven't really read into it very much.


Kinja'd!!! f5alcon > lingenfelter
04/10/2014 at 12:05

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I don't think it has changed, but they are not monitoring, it would be really obvious with your router stats if it was uploading video constantly.


Kinja'd!!! SP01LED JAM1E > Kake Bake
04/10/2014 at 12:34

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Check out my tunes in all of the Forza series. Gamertag: SP01LED JAM1E


Kinja'd!!! QCGoose > Grant Leavitt
04/10/2014 at 21:33

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I was always a fan of Alpine Ring.

But yes, I agree with you. I would have LOVED to see nearly all the tracks from FM1 on the newer games.


Kinja'd!!! Grant Leavitt > QCGoose
04/11/2014 at 10:03

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Unfortunately, my copy of FM1 was a $1 pre-used game, and crashed every time i tried to select a car AFTER choosing a career event. I got around it by choosing the car beforehand, but leveling up was too slow to get to my favorite events, the endurance races, so i sort of gave up, lol.


Kinja'd!!! lingenfelter > f5alcon
04/12/2014 at 08:46

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I was only referring to the capability to do so, not that they are necessarily actually using it. Frankly I have no use for the Kinect camera or mic, wouldn't miss them for a second if they were gone. My laptop has a camera and mic too, and if there were an option to save 5 bucks and exclude them, I would take it.


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04/13/2014 at 22:56

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Its the car A.J. Foyt won the 1977 Indianapolis 500 in.